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Post by Sieghart Rayvnl on Sept 23, 2011 13:59:50 GMT -5
I think it is about time that something is done. We have put it off long enough and now we are losing important members and the ones that remain are slowly becoming more and more down trodden. I request the removal of Jachimaru and the ownership of his characters transferred. We need to either get him back immediately as in within two days of this post or get access to his characters to progress the story ourselves to the point where they are no longer necessary. Either way something must be done now.
All those who agree with me feel free to post below or if you have a different opinion feel free to post those as well. Just remember that if something isn't done immediately this website is as good as done.
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Post by Captain Stelevein on Sept 23, 2011 14:48:57 GMT -5
No one get's it do they? I'd rather this site die then remove Jachimaru from it. Do you realize how much he means to me and to this site, without him we wouldn't have a site same goes for me, without me we wouldn't have a site. I can't very well remove an owner from his rightful place, and even if I could I would refuse to do so. Telling me this is very offensive to me, and I dare you not say it again. You might not know this, but if you think you have seen my temper before when it came to what Joker use to do, you haven't seen a thing. When it comes to this man; Jachimaru, you are asking for something very bad. So, this is just a warning, please refrain from asking for the removal of him.
As for this one, even if we were to gain access to his characters they wouldn't help us much anyway. Only Jachi knows exactly how to RP them as he created them, I of course also know how, but I couldn't very well assume control of his characters along with mine. Not to mention for those who are planning to fight one of jachi's characters, there could be a huge conflict between them anyway without Jachi. Jachi had a plan and still does, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let his plans go to waist simply because people can not be patient.
On a side note; we can not put a time limit on Jachi's return as he has explained to everyone his reasons for leaving us as is. He will be back when he get's back, just learn to have patience. Now, I'd probably agree with you to an extent had he not explained it to us.
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Post by Akiyamasan on Sept 23, 2011 15:51:35 GMT -5
(Please don't tl;dr [Too long; didn't read] this post, though it is a bit long, it contains my feelings upon the matter, and I would feel quite disrespected if someone failed to take it seriously.)
Well, the refusal of several members to even post in the topics where Jachimaru's characters aren't necessary doesn't help our cause at all. In that capacity, since we cannot continue the current arc without Jachimaru, we could potentially attempt to create a separate story-line that does not involve him specifically. Either a past or future arc, persay. The option of completely retconning the current plot and starting over from the beginning also is a possibility, it certainly does free up spaces for characters, and we may also manipulate certain events that were unfavorable to be slightly more streamlined. The thing that comes to mind the most is how the Cero Espada seems to be the only Espada that will actually attack Soul Society if things proceed the way they are going. A bit anti-climactic eh?
While Sieghart does have a point, and I am quite glad someone took the initiative to put his foot down, the only reason I myself have yet to directly assume control of for example, the Cero Espada, is because I do not desire to stamp over Stelevein's feelings. This is not to say that Stelevein is in any way holding back the website due to his feelings, It is simply that I understand his great respect for Jachimaru, and I have no desire to ignore that. I do believe Jachimaru actually very likely expected Stelevein to take over his character if he was too inactive, and while it is the easiest way to make things happen, I care more about respecting the feelings of others and reducing animosity than I care about any specific plotlines.
So once again, I must bring up the suggestion of a separate storyline. With something like that, we could continue activity here without any significant reductions in members (Slowness is the number one cause of death on forums) and we could also flesh out a little more creativity in that regard. Since we have basically been going off a template that was previously set out for us by Stelevein, we've reached a standstill when the unpredictable event of one of our key players suddenly taking a dive into the realm of inactivity, we can make the attempt to work together to create something else to do on the side while we await other posts. Of course, I highly suggest archiving things if this proposal can get agreed to, which I can and would gladly take care of myself. I once again, will include the possibility of a retcon.
The message however is quite clear. If we cannot come up with a solution to our decreasing member pool, we might as well give up the goose here and shut this place down. I cannot fathom how things would be if we ended up having a single player talking to themselves a lot during the RPs.
As for Stelevein's post, you need to calm down about that. Nobody here is intending to piss you off, because if we wanted to, we would have done it ages ago. The players have been as patient as one could ever expect them to be, and you should be damn proud that they stuck by you for as long as they have. Joker and Judge made it clear that things aren't progressing smoothly enough, and Sieghart just now also threw in his two cents about the case. If nothing else, this is a very clear indication that changes need to be made if you desire to see this place continue to "live". And if you are not willing to put in the effort to help make a change, then you have two options.
A) Close down the website
B) Delegate tasks to others.
I'm sorry, but that is all there is to it. It comes down to this, and if no one wants to step up to the plate to make things better around here, perhaps we all wasted our time. If however, you do want this place to continue, I will do everything I can to assist you in anyway possible in making the changes necessary to keep our members interested. I strongly urge every other user to post their two cents about this place, and any possible ideas they have in order to make this place a little more active. Do -not- punish the members if they have any specific criticisms about anything. No harsh rebukes, no sarcasm, no banning, no jokes, no nothing. I cannot stress enough about how important it is to take the requests of members seriously, and how to not condemn them if they say something you specifically do not agree with. Especially coming from a member of the staff, it leads to players quickly departing the website in search of a place where they can feel respected.
This goes for me as well, I greatly apologize to any members I may have disrespected in the past, I have no intentions on causing people to feel poorly, or discredit their efforts. I am simply a tad poor in articulation, and have a tendency to be blunt at times when tact should be used instead. I believe my most grievous offenses were directed toward Jokerman, so I formally extend another apology to him specifically.
One more time, in order to hammer this any bit more clearly than ever, changes must be made. That much is clear, and I expect you to take this seriously.
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Post by Captain Stelevein on Sept 23, 2011 20:32:28 GMT -5
(((This post will be quite long as well, but please take the time to read the whole post.))) I have another few things to say. -- I am willing to listen to my members and allow them to come up with any idea's they might have as to picking this site up. -- I will -not- tollerate anyone wanting me to remove Jachimaru. Jachimaru might not mean a lot to you all, but he does to me. This was probably the only problem I had, that and the fact that I was basically getting told to bring Jachi back or remove him and assume control of his characters which I will -not- do. If that's all anyone wants is for this plot to continue then I mean no direspect, but to be blunt; I couldn't care less what they want if it means removing Jachimaru from the picture. No one will ever understand why I feel this way, so please do not try. -- I took the above as offensive simply because everyone knows my feelings toward Jachi. Everyone knows my huge respect for him. And, even if I were to actually think about doing that; the fact is I can -not- just go about doing that in an instant. Which brings me to the time limit he set, two days REALLY? How would any of you appreciate it had you all helped make a forum and one of the members suggested that you be removed due to not being active. It's a shame. -- Jachimaru and I both had plans for this forum. I didn't even want to start the plot yet, I wanted to wait until we had more members, but I allowed it to start because you the members wanted it to start. I allowed the changes here because you the members proposed them, what you all proposed helped us out a lot and I appreciate it, but the fact of the matter is, sometimes the members should trust the staff to do what is best for the site. I knew this plot would end up this way and I'm pretty sure Jachi did as well. I also happen to know he would agree with me on everything I have just said. -- If anyone would like something to happen I am up to listening to the members, so please PM me or make another thread where ideas can be posted. -- I never had intentions of offending anyone. But, I don't know whether any of you mean to or not, but any time Jachimaru is talked about in an ill way or I am asked to remove him and assume control of his characters it is offensive. I wish not to disrespect anyone, but I have and know I have, and I apologize for it all. But, I am not the only one disrespecting people, and I have also been disrespected along with a few other members. It all needs to stop. I am terribly sorry to anyone whom I have disrespected and offended. I know I act a little irrational at times, but I am trying to work on it, so please forgive me. As for me calming down, I was calm. As for being "DAMN" proud. I am very proud that they all stuck by me. I do believe however it wasn't me they were sticking by. I feel as if I am just the Owner, nothing really I have done to help anything. Hell, when all the proposals were made where was I? I wasn't here, I did nothing to help this forum. I couldn't even throw my idea's in. It was all the members and Jachi that did it all. You know, it makes me sad that my members had to make the changes, and it makes me sad that for the longest Jachimaru was running this forum by himself. You might as well say it's not even mine. It's his, what have I done since my return? Accept characters here and there, nothing of any real value accept hurt my members of whom I respect dearly. You see, I created this site with Jachimaru, our hopes were to make this site big. We believed we could do it, but how can I do anything if I'm not even here to help us along? I feel like shit for leaving everything in Jachi's hands, I feel like shit for leaving my members. If you all so wish, then I will turn the forum over to one of you and you all may do with it what you wish. If not, then please trust me when I say, this forum needs to change. The way things are between members must change, the hatred toward each other must change. This plot we're currently on, it'd go no where anyway if we can't even learn to get along. |
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Post by Sieghart Rayvnl on Sept 23, 2011 21:33:53 GMT -5
First off let me say I wasn't aiming a blow at you (Stelevein) by my previous post. I understand fully your respect for him, as super and I have discussed this topic in the past. He's your best friend I get it, I have one too and if someone requested the removal of him i'd be pissed off as well. But the fact of the matter is his absence from the site is the main cause of the problem and his removal or transfer of characters was just my reasoning of fixing said problem. It is not something that i wouldn't be willing to compromise on if you have a better idea, but so far no one would straight up tell you to do something about him, because as Super stated to not impose on your feelings. Well lots of people are sick of waiting around and something must be done. What that is I'll continue to leave up to you and be as patient as possible.
As for the two days, its not like i'm giving him just two days to come back. He's been gone forever, in fact I have been a member for over a month and half now and i've never even talked to the guy. Once again my previous statement was just my idea at the Fastest way to get the site up and rolling again. And quite frankly although i'm not taking your previous post personally and I hope you don't take mine personally either, I don't give a damn if my post upset you or not and believe me sir in no way do i fear your anger. My goal was accomplished, the point was it brought up the problem publicly and offered a solution to said problem. If you don't like my solution I urge you to instead of wasting your time telling me that it'll never happen and trying to explain something you yourself said I would never understand, please, go fix the problem. Do it how ever you see fit, just do something.
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Post by Captain Stelevein on Sept 24, 2011 9:36:41 GMT -5
Sieg it's not that anyone else fears my anger, it's that I fear it myself. Why would any of you be scared of my anger when it's over the web, that wouldn't make much sense. You also keep telling me to fix it, but how can I just go about fixing it? It's not just my decision, it's everyone's. So, before you go and tell me to fix it, maybe you'd like to share some idea's. If not then don't tell me to fix it.
On a side note sieg, I'm glad you brought it up and I know I over reacted, but I have calmed down. I understand your reasonings for it, and I apologize for my over reacting. So, I hope we can over look my first post.
I have thought up an idea in hopes that someone would take the time to listen.
This is a side plot until the return of Jachi, but it might just work. You see, usually the main villain's aren't human, but I got to thinking, why not throw some originality into it? Why not have an evil group of humans be the cause for the current plot. Which goes without saying that this plot would be like explaining what happened before the currently plot started which led up to this event. Maybe these humans hate the shinigami, and had high hopes that the arrancar would take them out. Now, this goes without saying that maybe there was a rogue shinigami with them who taught them how to open a senkaimon etc. When that was done these humans helped the Arrancar get into SS where we are now etc. Again, this is just a thought.
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Post by ThaiKunoichi on Sept 24, 2011 12:51:08 GMT -5
[I'm not very good at situations like these, but I feel like it's time I should grow up. Forgive me if I end up sounding a bit juvenile...]
To Super: Option B is a good idea (i believe it is in effect already?) I would gladly assume position as a PR Coordinator, but like the rest of you I am pressed by my schedule. As soon as I know for sure that I have the time and CAN make the time, I will post in the proper place. Thank you for your opinions and feelings concerning this situation.
To Everyone With Ideas: They sound good, but I prefer the Flashback/Future idea (i don't know what 'retconning' is, but from context i guess it is starting from scratch, perhaps?) We can move a bit more freely sans our less active members. I found the "humans against shinigami" plot interesting, but I was unsure as to how it could be done properly...no offense... Still, thank you for allowing other members to (try) to understand your stance on this.
Yes, Jachi (and a few others as well) left for an undetermined amount of time, but we can't turn away from him or "die" without trying something. And I should apologize for my behavior toward the members here; I'm on a computer for cryin out loud which means I have more time to think about what i say to another person...
No pettiness, no rudeness, and no turning our backs to one another. Let's do the best we can with what we have now.
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Post by Captain Stelevein on Sept 24, 2011 16:42:47 GMT -5
--scratches head--
I thought I apologized, I guess it wasn't enough. In any event, those of you who are still here and plan to stay think you so much. Those of you whom plan to leave I am terribly sorry and you will be missed.
Now, for those of you who are staying I need you all more than ever now. I threw an idea at you in hopes it'll work. If you all side with my idea then that's great. I will need help writing up a plot. If you all have any idea's please post them.
But, aside from this plot, we need to clear up space of the people who left and delete all the old post in which they participated in. Of course in my opinion we do, if you all believe we needn't bother with it then please tell me, if you all agree then I will go about doing that.
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Post by Sieghart Rayvnl on Sept 24, 2011 18:54:09 GMT -5
I don't think we should delete their old posts, I like to go back and read the old Rps. As for the whole "Issue" I gave you my idea, but like i said i didn't really expect it to happen. As for a new arc, i would love to do a flashback arc. Super and I are already in one flashback thread and really I wanna Rp with Hatora super bad, so.. any way we could fit it back to the day Hatora was still captain of squad 13 is a-ok with me!
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Post by Captain Stelevein on Sept 24, 2011 19:43:08 GMT -5
GREAT Sieg, and again I am sorry for earlier. I will need help to write it, but I will talk to super and await her response.
As for clearing up space I understand you like to go back and reread, so I probably should have said to archive them instead of delete them, which is exactly what I'll be doing. Then I have to edit some coding to take Judge out of it, and edit the Ranks and Characters thread to remove the characters he RP-ed as. Of course like stated I can not do it alone.
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Post by Sieghart Rayvnl on Sept 24, 2011 22:30:18 GMT -5
Uh wait your deleting Judges characters?? i thought he was just taking a break till jachi comes back and what not.
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Post by Captain Stelevein on Sept 25, 2011 10:08:02 GMT -5
Nope, he decided to leave for good. He decided everything was too hectic and crap. But, in any event, I'll begin Archiving everything once Super and I discuss things.
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Post by Akiyamasan on Sept 26, 2011 0:12:06 GMT -5
His profile and topic was deleted eh? Oh well. Okay, if you have any pressing concerns that require my attention, please drop me a Personal Message on this account, my computer access is limited as I have been preoccupied with a death in my family, but I still can be around enough to respond to topics and PMs.
I also suggest placing Kibanakamura on staff as a character mod to replace Judgeseraph, and Thaikunoichi on staff as PR to replace Chihiro. With Judge and Joker gone, this is more necessary than ever.
If anyone on the website cares to share what they believe are problems this website has, please either post them in this topic or bring them up to me in some manner. Even if your beef is with me personally, I don't mind a bit of a beating in order to make things get kicking.
Anything else that needs to be brought to my attention should be PM'd to me.
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